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[量产刀] 揭露busses钢材infi的真面目。

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发表于 2006-5-21 20:47 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
网上听闻busse竟然有自己的专有的钢材。深感惊讶和不解。

小小一家刀场怎么有能力研发超级钢材?

通过最近在网上明查暗访。。终于找出了infi的真面目。。

我研究表明infi应该是一种以6L或者A2为基础经过busse独特的热处理后形成的刀具钢材。

他与普通的6L或者A2的唯一区别是热处理的方式独特

当让我不否认热处理对刀具用钢的性能有着非常大的影响。。

但是用萝卜雕的花。。再漂亮还是萝卜。infi根本就不是什么超级钢材。。而是一种经过busse热处理的普通高碳钢。。。

如果各位有兴趣也可以为自己热处理过的钢材起个新名字。。.....


这个和冷钢的碳v其实是一样的。经过冷钢处理的任何钢材都叫碳v。。。。我怀疑infi也就是所有经过busse热处的各种高碳钢(估计不止一种)。。

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发表于 2006-5-21 20:58 | 显示全部楼层
但是这个钢的反响不错!

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发表于 2006-5-21 21:07 | 显示全部楼层
LZ所谓的明察暗访,不就是看了那篇CV VS INFI的论文吧,N久之前在这里就有人转过了

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发表于 2006-5-21 21:07 | 显示全部楼层
是理念的区别.

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 楼主| 发表于 2006-5-21 21:28 | 显示全部楼层

http://www.hcmkj.cn/

原帖由 AquilaII 于 2006-5-21 21:07 发表
LZ所谓的明察暗访,不就是看了那篇CV VS INFI的论文吧,N久之前在这里就有人转过了


这个我没看过阿。不过说起infi的好。。主要指的是它韧性好。。但是它的韧性应该还是没有3v好。

阿夸同志能把那篇传说中的文章在转一次吗?

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发表于 2006-5-21 21:31 | 显示全部楼层

http://www.mmabb.cn/

C=0.5  
Va=0.36  
Cr=8.25  
Co=0.95  
Ni=0.74  
Mo=1.3  
N=0.11

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发表于 2006-5-21 22:00 | 显示全部楼层
抗锈能力比154cm高一点的高碳钢。。。。

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发表于 2006-5-21 22:10 | 显示全部楼层

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从钢材成份上认为INFI钢不可能是"超级好材料".

一种钢材中竟然含镍和氮,暴寒.

它们对于制刀钢材而言,其实是有害杂质.

也许它曾有过表现上好的成绩,不过我认为至少不稳定.

关于INFI也和小箭谈论过,在这里我就不伤BUSSE迷们的心了.

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发表于 2006-5-21 22:13 | 显示全部楼层
这钢中的氮和镍都是有用的成分.不属于有害杂质.

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发表于 2006-5-21 22:14 | 显示全部楼层

http://www.sisong.net.cn/



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发表于 2006-5-22 20:15 | 显示全部楼层
最不解的是竟然有N元素

有高人指点一下吗
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    http://www.yyxfm.com.cn/

    引自BUSSE网站:INFI is a proprietary steel and heat-treat protocol developed by Busse Combat Knife Co. It is ONLY available through Busse Combat.

    Some facts and info about INFI.


    Hardness
    Although hardened INFI knives are 58-60 Rc we have yet been able to chip an edge. The edge can be dented or misaligned but its high level of malleability at such high hardness has never been duplicated by any other steel that we are aware of or have tested.

    Flexibility
    In one of our performance tests, we bend a Battle Mistress 35 degrees in a vise and it springs back to true. Why would we do this? What does it prove? What is the benefit to the customer? Not only does this test demonstrate the enormous toughness and lateral strength of an INFI blade but, because our hardness is homogenous and not differential, it demonstrates the amount of lateral strength and "spring" of INFI all the way to the edge. That means that edge of the blade will possess this same toughness. INFI is the only knife steel ever tested that has achieved such high levels of lateral strength with a homogenous hardness of 58 - 60 Rc. No other steel has even neared this performance level.

    Edge Retention
    Many so-called knife experts have heralded the "wear resistance" of a steel as the key to edge retention. This may very well be true if a knife is designed and intended for the cutting of soft materials ONLY. However, we have never inspected a dull knife and found the edge to be perfectly smoothed away, like a ball bearing. Instead what we find are microscopic chips where the edge has broken or chipped away like glass after having impacted against bone, gravel, or other hard surfaces. This micro chipping dictates that the edge be reground during the resharpening process, which will ultimately lead to a thicker edge and a radical change in overall blade shape. Steels with high wear resistance normally score fairly low in shock resistance, lateral strength, and overall toughness. INFI scores very high in ALL of these categories.

    Sharpening
    INFI's high level of chip resistance also makes it the easiest steel to resharpen by hand that we have ever encountered. I personally fall into the category of "hand sharpening challenged". I've heard tales of those who can sharpen ball peen hammers to a razor's edge on an Arkansas stone in less than 5 seconds flat. My experiences have always been to the contrary. The spine of the knife is usually sharper than the edge when I'm finished applying my magic stone sharpening technique. One of the great features of INFI is that simply stropping away from the edge (the way a barber strops a straight edged razor) on a ceramic stick is basically all that is required to resharpen INFI. Since you're not chipping steel off the edge there is no need to grind any steel away. This feature of INFI will, likewise, allow you to keep the same overall profile of the knife for a much greater period of time.

    How does INFI compare to other steels?
    Simple question, complex answer. INFI represents what I have always dreamed of in a knife steel. Tougher, by an enormous margin, than any other steel I've ever tested. Unparalleled edge holding under high impact and in cutting tests. Shock resistance that begs you to "bring it on". An ease of re-sharpening that you have to see to believe and higher levels of lateral strength at high hardness than have ever been achieved by any other steel. We have published our test results and our testing methodology. We have video taped all of these tests and play the video at the knife shows we attend. More importantly, we have duplicated these performance tests in "LIVE" demonstrations at many trade shows throughout the United States. We encourage all manufacturers to put their products through our tests and to publish their results. If you want to know how another maker's knife will compare to a Busse Combat knife, ask the other maker to duplicate our tests in a "live" demo.

    Is INFI stainless?
    Not supposed to be. However, INFI has demonstrated very high levels of stain resistance in many different climates. Uncoated blades have been tested for years in Alaska and have made their way into the wilds of British Columbia, the High Sierras and tropical rain forests. No rust in Alaska or British Columbia! No rust in the High Sierras, even when exposed to great quantities of blood and left in the wet grass overnight. The tropical rain forest, which has been known to rust plastic (just kidding), did offer the toughest of the environmental exposures and a light speckling of surface oxidation did occur but was easily removed in the field with a hand rubbing of sand and water. No deep pitting was reported. When compared to other cutlery steels in salt spray tests, INFI faired better than ATS-34 and D-2. Although all three grades exhibited surface oxidation, the INFI was not deeply pitted as was common in these other two grades. So, although INFI is not technically a stainless steel, it is certainly not a rust aggressive steel. Couple this with a minimal amount of care and you've got a fairly maintenance free knife.

    With a steel like INFI it's easy to understand why we offer the toughest guarantee in the business. We guarantee against any and all unintentional MAJOR damage forever.


    Jerry Busse
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    以下PDF文件中含少量INFI介绍http://www.edcknives.com/pdf-files/Steel_v2.pdf
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    发表于 2006-5-22 21:14 | 显示全部楼层
    引这么多,看得懂的没几个。

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     楼主| 发表于 2006-7-9 10:06 | 显示全部楼层
    最近在看blade forum 才发现。。这个cliff stamp是个臭名昭著的buss分子
    他所有的文章都是说buss 好的。。不论从哪个方面。。 他跟Jerry hossom有过非常激烈的争吵。最后被老hossom哄出了论坛(hossom在knife forum有一个自己的版子)

    他们讨论的焦点是一个关于buss的夸张极限测试。。buss用它的刀砍开了一块混凝土块。。jerry 觉得这个测试超级无聊。 因为混凝土的结构非常不稳定。 里面什么都可能有。
    但是cliff 坚持说这个测验是现场的。。不可能作弊。。如果buss能完成这个测试。。说明刀子很牛x...

    两个人吵的不可开交。。


    不知道大家觉得这个测试如何?

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    发表于 2006-7-9 10:17 | 显示全部楼层
    原帖由 court0 于 2006-5-21 22:10 发表
    从钢材成份上认为INFI钢不可能是"超级好材料".

    一种钢材中竟然含镍和氮,暴寒.

    它们对于制刀钢材而言,其实是有害杂质.

    也许它曾有过表现上好的成绩,不过我认为至少不稳定.

    关于INFI也和小箭 ...

    含镍并不奇怪,至于含氮,可以确定它是以某种化合物的形态存在的,而且在钢材的成份中起到了和碳元素类似的作用,对提高钢材的韧性有极大帮助。

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    发表于 2006-7-9 10:17 | 显示全部楼层
    微量的镍对韧性有好处,表面渗氮可提高硬度并增强抗腐蚀性能
    但钢材中含这么高的镍和氮
    巨寒..........

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    发表于 2006-7-9 10:57 | 显示全部楼层

    http://www.jyyes.cn/

    买刀基本不看钢。
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