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[量产刀] 蜘蛛这次损失不小!

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    发表于 2007-6-7 21:03 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
    ”...to pay a $75,000 criminal fine, a $125 special assessment, and toforfeit all such knives seized by the United States Immigration andCustoms Enforcement from its corporate offices in Golden, Colorado ...estimated to be valued at over $400,000...”
    事情原由:
    In pleading guilty, Spyderco admitted that from June 2005 throughJanuary 2007, it had mailed butterfly knives, after importing the knifecomponents from Taipei, Taiwan, through the Port of San Francisco andthe Port of Oakland, to Golden, Colorado. The U.S. Customs and BorderPatrol had issued a ruling to Spyderco holding that these knives fitthe definition of "switchblade knives" as an imported knife "with ablade which opens automatically by operation of inertia, gravity, orboth" and were therefore not allowed into the United States pursuant tothe Switchblade Knife Act, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1241-1245, and were further notto be mailed in the United States.
    连接:http://lawfuel.com/show-release.asp?ID=11640
    大意是因为蜘蛛邮寄 BALISONG, 被认定为非法刀具,违反了  Switchblade Knife Act:不准许在美国范围内
    邮寄。
    全部刀被没收不说,还要缴纳 $75,000的罚款。蜘蛛这次可亏大了! 哈哈 哈哈
    但是美国TMD的也真怪,允许生产却不允许卖??? 貌似蜘蛛的BALISONG 也是台湾代工的!


    [ 本帖最后由 mathayus 于 2007-6-7 21:05 编辑 ]

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    发表于 2007-6-7 21:22 | 显示全部楼层
    很奇怪
    蝴蝶不是也出到么
    怎么运输的??
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    [LV.2]偶尔看看I

    发表于 2007-6-7 21:27 | 显示全部楼层
    不解

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    发表于 2007-6-7 22:22 | 显示全部楼层

    http://www.djqz.cn/

    甩刀美国禁运
    却也不知道为了什么

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    发表于 2007-6-7 22:27 | 显示全部楼层

    http://www.potop.net.cn/

    自己弄到加拿大或者墨西哥邮寄不就完了?一根筋...........
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    [LV.2]偶尔看看I

    发表于 2007-6-7 22:29 | 显示全部楼层
    不能邮寄,难道啊让刀自己瞬间移动啊?

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    发表于 2007-6-7 22:40 | 显示全部楼层
    美国可能有法案规定不得进口自动刀。而蜘蛛从2005年6月至2007年1月间从台湾进口了甩刀组件,通过San Francisco and the Port of Oakland,到蜘蛛位于卡罗拉多的GOLDEN总部。甩刀被定义为“自动刀”。并不是说自动刀在美国不能邮寄。(当然,个别州对携带自动刀有规定)。所以MT这种美国本土刀是完全没有问题的。
    最惨的是其价格40万美元的甩刀全部被没收。

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    发表于 2007-6-7 22:49 | 显示全部楼层
    出的那东西死拉丑,俩腿还并不上,刀柄还上锈,不知道蜘蛛咋想的,那帮老美好像把用蜘蛛的甩刀定义为买不起蝴蝶的人的标志
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     楼主| 发表于 2007-6-7 23:11 | 显示全部楼层
    貌似中国的洋姜甩刀老美说的"ccc"都是出口美国的,而从美国往外寄也没什么管制!
    难道是蜘蛛所在的洲对“自动刀(包括BALI)“有管制规定?? 蜘蛛不会这么傻吧,不了解法规吧。估计是出在口岸和运输问题上。
    不过怎么就觉得蜘蛛在这事上做的有点缺啊,阴沟里翻船? $400000的货外加75000的罚金,够 蜘蛛 吃一壶的!
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    ”Spyderco also agreed not to import, transport, distribute, manufactre, sell, introduce, or attempt to introduce into interstate commerce knives defined as switchblades under the Switchblade Knife Act, in violation of the law.“
    意味着蜘蛛的两款甩刀要停产????看来蜘蛛的剪子,以后要紧俏了, 哈哈哈!

    另: 这个所谓的条款难道对蝴蝶不适用吗??

    [ 本帖最后由 mathayus 于 2007-6-7 23:18 编辑 ]
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     楼主| 发表于 2007-6-7 23:21 | 显示全部楼层
    原帖由 野猪 于 2007-6-7 22:49 发表
    出的那东西死拉丑,俩腿还并不上,刀柄还上锈,不知道蜘蛛咋想的,那帮老美好像把用蜘蛛的甩刀定义为买不起蝴蝶的人的标志

    其实蜘蛛DIY一下也是瞒漂亮的!蝴蝶刀的锁定本来也就没什么用,当然有鞘的前提下。


    [ 本帖最后由 mathayus 于 2007-6-7 23:22 编辑 ]

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    发表于 2007-6-7 23:24 | 显示全部楼层
    蜘蛛原来好像是用美国usps运输,usps应该是美国的邮局,运输费用相对较低。在美国相应的州应该是只有取得运输武器资格的公司才可以运输甩刀和跳刀,但这种公司的收费相对较高。长时间的用较低费用运输部不合乎法规的货品----------苦果!

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    发表于 2007-6-7 23:33 | 显示全部楼层
    这是那个法规了:
    United States Code
    TITLE 15 - COMMERCE AND TRADE
    CHAPTER 29 - MANUFACTURE, TRANSPORTATION, OR DISTRIBUTION OF SWITCHBLADE KNIVES


    Section 1241.  Definitions

          As used in this chapter -
          (a) The term ''interstate commerce'' means commerce between any
        State, Territory, possession of the United States, or the District
        of Columbia, and any place outside thereof.
          (b) The term ''switchblade knife'' means any knife having a blade
        which opens automatically -
            (1) by hand pressure applied to a button or other device in the
          handle of the knife, or
            (2) by operation of inertia, gravity, or both.



    Section 1242. Introduction, manufacture for introduction, transportation or distribution in interstate commerce; penalty

          Whoever knowingly introduces, or manufactures for introduction,
        into interstate commerce, or transports or distributes in
        interstate commerce, any switchblade knife, shall be fined not more
        than $2,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.



    Section 1243. Manufacture, sale, or possession within specific jurisdictions; penalty

          Whoever, within any Territory or possession of the United States,
        within Indian country (as defined in section 1151 of title 18), or
        within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the
        United States (as defined in section 7 of title 18), manufactures,
        sells, or possesses any switchblade knife, shall be fined not more
        than $2,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.



    Section 1244.  Exceptions

          Sections 1242 and 1243 of this title shall not apply to -
            (1) any common carrier or contract carrier, with respect to any
          switchblade knife shipped, transported, or delivered for shipment
          in interstate commerce in the ordinary course of business;
            (2) the manufacture, sale, transportation, distribution,
          possession, or introduction into interstate commerce, of
          switchblade knives pursuant to contract with the Armed Forces;
            (3) the Armed Forces or any member or employee thereof acting
          in the performance of his duty; or
            (4) the possession, and transportation upon his person, of any
          switchblade knife with a blade three inches or less in length by
          any individual who has only one arm.



    Section 1245. Ballistic knives

        (a) Prohibition and penalties for possession, manufacture, sale, or
            importation
          Whoever in or affecting interstate commerce, within any Territory
        or possession of the United States, within Indian country (as
        defined in section 1151 of title 18), or within the special
        maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States (as
        defined in section 7 of title 18), knowingly possesses,
        manufactures, sells, or imports a ballistic knife shall be fined as
        provided in title 18, or imprisoned not more than ten years, or
        both.
        (b) Prohibition and penalties for possession or use during
            commission of Federal crime of violence
          Whoever possesses or uses a ballistic knife in the commission of
        a Federal crime of violence shall be fined as provided in title 18,
        or imprisoned not less than five years and not more than ten years,
        or both.
        (c) Exceptions
          The exceptions provided in paragraphs (1), (2), and (3) of
        section 1244 of this title with respect to switchblade knives shall
        apply to ballistic knives under subsection (a) of this section.
        (d) ''Ballistic knife'' defined
          As used in this section, the term ''ballistic knife'' means a
        knife with a detachable blade that is propelled by a
        spring-operated mechanism.

    估计问题是出在运输上。蜘蛛看来没有选用有资质的运输商。另一个可能就是蜘蛛生产甩刀(法案里定义的自动刀)没有得到批准,或者所谓的备案。这也是违法的。而BM就手续齐全,所以OK了。
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     楼主| 发表于 2007-6-7 23:38 | 显示全部楼层
    上面的法规,我还有一份澳洲的!
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    发表于 2007-6-8 01:23 | 显示全部楼层
    枪支随便卖的国家,居然连自动刀具都管制,就这条对比真是比中国的规定都严,买个自动跳刀还要出示警员或部队的证件,真是笑话,南韩的那个姓赵的难道是用刀杀人的吗?还好还有一个德州,建议蝴蝶,蜘蛛,Buck都搬去那里好了,没管制啊。看看人家冷钢,手刺,甩刀部门早就搬出加州了。美国法律其实还是很有空子钻的,主要是因为各州规定不同一,比如邮寄刀具,你联邦规定美国邮政不让寄是吧,没事,有DHL,FedEx和UPS呢,真是上有政策,下有对策。
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    发表于 2007-6-8 08:28 | 显示全部楼层
    不知道美国人怎么想的,连杀伤力大的枪都可以卖,居然刀不能邮寄。
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    发表于 2007-6-8 08:45 | 显示全部楼层

    http://www.365soso.cn/

    这个听起来真是匪夷所思。
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    发表于 2007-6-8 11:54 | 显示全部楼层
    费解,美国刀具不是合法携带吗,为什么运输还有这样的问题,
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    [LV.3]偶尔看看II

    发表于 2007-6-8 11:59 | 显示全部楼层

    http://www.mmabb.cn/

    原帖由 ximcn 于 2007-6-8 08:28 发表
    不知道美国人怎么想的,连杀伤力大的枪都可以卖,居然刀不能邮寄。

    :)

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    发表于 2007-6-8 12:38 | 显示全部楼层
    其实讲明了就是个利益问题,肯定是得罪了海关啊!美国对手枪管得严,所以不排除高手把甩刀用作杀人工具的可能性,毕竟玩甩刀的好歹都有点技术

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    发表于 2007-6-8 12:52 | 显示全部楼层

    http://www.funsn.com.cn/

    不让内销 只能出口?

    难道美国的枪支业 想垄断美国的黑帮市场 ,只能使枪?

    还是 认为美国出产的是牛仔  牛仔都是使枪的  , 从火器变成铁器  使刀丢不起这个人?
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